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What exactly is Mr Popo?
Topic Started: Nov 17 2010, 02:47 AM (8,981 Views)
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There's always some. I happen to find stereotypes very amusing but they often lead to bullying, ignorance and hatred.


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When they don't have to. If people know they're not true then stfu about them. Let them be. Laugh at them. Stop taking every damn thing so seriously.
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Lol. You know we are all drinking the jungle juice if it is racist to potray a black guy as dumb and dimwitted.

We still got a long way to go.


It only seems offense when it's the black guy is dumb. What black people can't be dumb anymore?
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Nov 18 2010, 01:37 AM
It's only in the anime, so it's filler and therefore doesn't count.

I'm gonna make a manga with stereotypical White guys. Any guesses on how many people will complain and want me to censor it?
Well, there are billions of racist stereotypes against white people. Will you be portraying all of them?
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Well, as far as I know, Mr. Popo is a never-dying genie who is apparently black. Not to be racist or anything.
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Nov 17 2010, 11:17 PM
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Nov 17 2010, 06:03 AM
Wtf is wrong with people

As soon as a black person is put into a show its seen as racist... WTF!

Akira made him black just because he wanted to. WTF is wrong with using a specific colour.

No one goes ape ***** over people being white so why the ***** cant black characters be in the show?!

Japanese aren't even white so how the ***** is it racist!?!?!?

I hate the logic of some people over matters like this
And I hate the fact that you aren't even thinking logically :)

Putting a black person in a show doesn't make you a racist. It's putting him into a show and basing him on negative stereotypes that make it racist. And, after listing the obvious stereotypes, it's quite obvious that some people would find him offensive.

See, you aren't even thinking. Other races can be racist. Whites can be, blacks can be (wait, those aren't racist, those are colors... *****, I'mma racist!), Asians, Europeans, Australians. Race doesn't matter -- one can even technically be racist against one's own race. Who's to say I can't hate all white people? I'd be just as racist if I said the same thing about blacks.

You're just trying to defuse the situation, I respect that. But the way you're doing it seems to be making it worse. Calm down. Think. Whether he intended it or not -- and as the Japanese culture isn't as strict or politically correct as most Western cultures, he probably didn't -- Mr. Popo could indeed be considered a racist stereotype. 4Kids changed Popo from black to blue because they found it could have been offensive. Who knew?

((interestingly enough, Jynx from Pokemon could also be racist. Take a look at her from the first Pokemon game lol)
I didn't *****ing say only white people are racist.

I said Japanese aren't white but they aren't black either. So the fact that they create a show with different toned people shouldn't make any difference or be discriminative at all.

Jokes are loosely thrown around all the time at light toned characters yet they dont go "OMG HE'S RACIST!"

Japanese love white toned people hence why all anime/ manga people are white toned, and something to do with them not liking their own colour of skin. I dont know but I've heard things along the lines of that.

Hardly any manga / anime has dark toned people anymore. Why?
People are to scared to be accused of being called racist.

There shouldnt be anything wrong with having dark toned people in a cartoon. They are people just like us, there isnt any difference.
Popo isnt even dark toned, in a certain respect- if you understand what i mean.
Popo is just completely the colour black.

Actual people in the anime who are dark toned arent seen as any sort of problem or racial discrimination.

See you twisted my words around and you didnt even understand what i meant so leave me alone.

If you think anything is remotely racist in DBZ then i dont know what to say.
Nothing is racist, your mind makes it racist.

Popo can be the colour black, he can be whatever he wants.
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I like how you're backtracking. It's actually hilarious.

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I said Japanese aren't white but they aren't black either. So the fact that they create a show with different toned people shouldn't make any difference or be discriminative at all.

No you didn't. You said, and I quote, "Japanese aren't white so how...is it racist?" You said nothing else. What you said implies that because they are Japanese, they cannot be racist like whites can. You didn't say a damn thing about discrimination, black or any other tone. Thus, my response, "Other races can be racist."

To avoid this kind of confusion in the future, you may wish to elaborate instead of assuming people know what you're thinking as you type it.

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Jokes are loosely thrown around all the time at light toned characters yet they dont go "OMG HE'S RACIST!"

Why would anyone in a fictional universe acknowledge something that the audience beyond the 4th wall may or may not believe? That's just a silly statement.

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Japanese love white toned people hence why all anime/ manga people are white toned, and something to do with them not liking their own colour of skin. I dont know but I've heard things along the lines of that.

I think it's a combination -- not that they love Western culture, but that they themselves are rather light skinned. Generally the Japanese people are light skinned, and since manga is originally released in Japan, wouldn't it make sense?

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Hardly any manga / anime has dark toned people anymore. Why?
People are to scared to be accused of being called racist.

Actually, I do wonder. Wouldn't the idea of not putting another race in be considered just as racist? Just thinking out loud, inserting logic into the world a word at a time.

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There shouldnt be anything wrong with having dark toned people in a cartoon. They are people just like us, there isnt any difference.
Popo isnt even dark toned, in a certain respect- if you understand what i mean.
Popo is just completely the colour black.

Oh I do. Which is why I never said I consider it racist. I was just repeating the truth -- other people do, and logically I can see why they might be offended. You forget that Western culture is more conservative in general than Asian cultures like the Japanese.

Again, it's not that Popo is dark-skinned (black) -- it's that his image fits the blackface stereotype -- large lips, oogly eyes, deep voice, cartoony features, and fitting the role of a servant or slave. If he were black and only black, no one would think of it as a problem.

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Actual people in the anime who are dark toned arent seen as any sort of problem or racial discrimination.

You probably don't want to read this then, aside from the final post. Although, you may enjoy reading this guy's post.

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See you twisted my words around and you didnt even understand what i meant so leave me alone.

I didn't twist anything -- you said what you said, I responded, and you took it personally. Seems to me you're attempting to make me the bad guy, trying to hand me a new one without considering the possibility that there seriously are people who get offended by such stereotypes.

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If you think anything is remotely racist in DBZ then i dont know what to say.

I think you'd say something along the lines of...

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Nothing is racist, your mind makes it racist.

...only in a pointless rant that doesn't connect to, but somehow leads up to, it. Oh, wait...

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Popo can be the colour black, he can be whatever he wants.

I think he prefers blue actually LOL.
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I wasnt directing all of that at you.

You thought i wanted to get full on and start raging at you? No lol
When i quote someone it doesnt necessarily mean it's souly to one person.

Also you shouldnt assume so much with so little info then. It was only one short sentence you elaborated from and made your own meaningless assumption that was dead set wrong. I like many others dont go over what i have typed all the time so mistakes are made, sorry im not Jesus.

Unless im blind... i thought it was obvious Japanese arent dark toned or light toned. Ahwell

Well i dont spend my spare time looking through Google to find how and why dark toned people are portrayed in a discriminative manner.

People just read to much into things these days.

Did anyone just stop to think, hey maybe just maybe, they did what they did and thats that.
No higher meaning. Akira just made Popo the way he is because he wanted to, its that simple.

Simple logic

Things can be so coincidental that they seem they were done on purpose which most of the time it isnt but people just assume it.


A brick was thrown at a window, broke it and smashed through into the house. The person who did it dropped the brick in his other hand and ran away. Another person walks along and see's the brick on the ground not noticing the broken window, he picks it up. The people who own the house come home and see what has happened.
He gets the blame even though he didnt do anything wrong.


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Nov 18 2010, 04:57 AM
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Nov 18 2010, 01:37 AM
It's only in the anime, so it's filler and therefore doesn't count.

I'm gonna make a manga with stereotypical White guys. Any guesses on how many people will complain and want me to censor it?
Well, there are billions of racist stereotypes against white people. Will you be portraying all of them?
I don't know. Will I? Is there only one racist stereotype against Black people? Because that's how it seems when people bring up characters like Popo.
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this topic has gone from a question regarding what Popo is to how he is offensive to most people.

but while we are discussing this

i don't think AT intended for it to be taken this way, it's the viewers that are taking it the wrong way
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Its a freaking stereotype like the stereotype that people from england have bad teeth´s, stereotypes are mostly fake, so don´t take it to seriously.

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That stereotype has some truth in it. There is a serious lack of dentists in my country as far as I'm aware.


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Nov 18 2010, 08:59 AM
I don't know. Will I? Is there only one racist stereotype against Black people? Because that's how it seems when people bring up characters like Popo.
Well, I know that people outside America have stereotyped (especially in anime) Americans as blonde haired, blue eyed, and big nosed. Also, sometimes, looking down at people from other races (Bandit Keith from Yu-Gi-Oh!). I think you should put that stereotype in there. Americans will be so angry, they'll fall right into the stereotype you're making fun of them with.

And DBZHybrid. My bad. Bad mood last night.

...Japanese people are light-skinned, I think. I've heard them be referred to (racistly), as yellow monkeys, and yellow is a light color. Perhaps I am assuming wrong? I also think of Indians and "Native Americans" as dark skinned, so...
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Everyone here needs to chill. :[
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